{"id":10078,"date":"2023-02-24T17:55:05","date_gmt":"2023-02-24T17:55:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lonecandle.com\/?p=10078"},"modified":"2023-02-24T17:55:05","modified_gmt":"2023-02-24T17:55:05","slug":"something-was-badly-wrong-when-washington-realized-russia-was-actually-invading-ukraine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/?p=10078","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Something Was Badly Wrong\u2019: When Washington Realized Russia Was Actually Invading Ukraine"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

\n\n“Daleep Singh<\/strong>, deputy national security adviser for international economics, National Security Council, White House<\/em>: We thought we had quelled his appetite for territory by meeting him in Geneva and trying to address some of the strategic concerns he\u2019d been raising, but then here we were again, with an even larger force.”
…
“Gen. Mark Milley: <\/strong>It\u2019s 30 days after the exit from Afghanistan. Some people said that the invasion of Ukraine was a result of the withdrawal. I don\u2019t agree. It\u2019s obvious the invasion was planned before the fall of Afghanistan.”  
…
“Bill Burns:<\/strong> [While I was in Moscow,] I was talking to [Putin] on a secure phone. It was a strange conversation. He was in Sochi \u2014 this was the height of yet another wave of Covid, Moscow itself was under a curfew \u2014 so he was isolating himself. The conversation was pretty straightforward. I laid out what the president had asked me to lay out to him. His response was a lot of what I had heard before from him about his convictions about Ukraine, and in many ways, his cockiness about Russia\u2019s ability to enforce its will on Ukraine. His senior advisers were pretty consistent as well. Not all of them were intimately familiar with his own decision-making, so at least one or two of them were a little bit surprised with what I laid out to them because the circle of advisers had gotten so small.”  
…
“Bill Burns: <\/strong>My own impression, based on interactions with him over the years, was a lot of this had to do with his own fixation on controlling Ukraine. He was convincing himself that strategically the window was closing on his opportunity to control Ukraine.”
…
“Bill Burns:<\/strong> His conviction was that without controlling Ukraine and its choices, it\u2019s not possible for Russia to be a great power and have this sphere of influence that he believes is essential. And it\u2019s not possible for him to be a great Russian leader without accomplishing that.”  
…
“Wally Adeyemo:<\/strong> The diplomacy between the president and the secretary getting people aligned on sanctions before Russia invaded was probably the biggest difference between this time and Crimea in terms of our ability to act quickly and effectively \u2014 things that we were unable to do back then.”
…
“Gen. Paul Nakasone:<\/strong> We sent a [U.S. Cyber Command] team forward, and they land in Kyiv on the fourth of December. Within a day or two, the leader calls back, and she tells my Cyber National Mission Force commander, her boss, \u201cWe\u2019re not coming home for a while. In fact, send more people.\u201d We sent our largest \u201chunt forward\u201d package into Kyiv. That stays there for a little over 70 days. What is a \u201chunt forward\u201d operation? A hunt forward operation is focused at the partner\u2019s request to look at a series of networks \u2014 we identify malware, tradecraft and anomalous behavior in those networks that point us to adversaries and allow the partner \u2014 in this case, Ukraine \u2014 to strengthen those networks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The interesting thing that she \u2014 the team leader \u2014 said: \u201cThey\u2019re really serious about this.\u201d This is the third time that we had been back in Ukraine, and there was just a different feeling in terms of how Ukraine was approaching it. When we provided information, they were moving on it, correcting the vulnerability, and looking for more.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Amb. Michael Carpenter<\/strong>: We thought, \u201cOK, if there\u2019s a crisis of European security, then let\u2019s talk about it. Let\u2019s identify the Russian concerns and see if there\u2019s a way that we can address them through diplomacy.\u201d Poland assumed the chairperson-ship of the OSCE on January 1, 2022, and so I immediately went to go visit with the Polish Foreign Minister to talk about the diplomatic angle. He was very receptive, and subsequently launched a process called the renewed European Security Dialogue. Russia basically refused to engage, and that\u2019s when it became increasingly clear the Kremlin really had no interest in diplomacy all along. It was bent on war.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

All of its alleged concerns \u2014 everything that it was putting out there in the public domain \u2014 was really a smokescreen. They turned their backs completely on the diplomacy that we were proposing at the OSCE, the diplomacy that was being proposed on behalf of NATO and then also bilaterally what we were discussing with the Russians. There was nothing to offer them, because they didn\u2019t even want to talk.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Bill Burns<\/strong>: I saw Zelenskyy in the middle of January to lay out the most recent intelligence we had about Russian planning for the invasion, which by that point had sharpened its focus to come straight across the Belarus frontier \u2014 just a relatively short drive from Kyiv \u2014 to take Kyiv, decapitate the regime and establish a pro-Russian government there. With some fair amount of detail, including, for example, the Russian intent to seize an airport northwest of Kyiv called Hostomel, and use that as a platform to bring in airborne forces as well to accelerate the seizure of Kyiv.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Antony Blinken<\/strong>: I saw Foreign Minister Lavrov in Geneva in late January, the 21st, because we were determined to exhaust every diplomatic avenue. It was incredibly blustery in Geneva \u2014 I\u2019ve never seen Lake Geneva more agitated in my life, like an ocean with a major storm setting in. I alluded to that and said, \u201cYou know, we have a responsibility to see if we can calm the seas \u2014 calm the lake.\u201d Lavrov was uncharacteristically focused on his talking points, and there wasn\u2019t much extemporaneous give and take, which is not usually the case with him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I wanted to see if there was some final way of breaking through and suggested we spend some time alone after the meeting with our teams. We sat in chairs about a foot from each other. I asked him, \u201cTell me, what are you trying to do? What is actually going on here? Is this really about your purported security concerns? Or is this about something theological, which is Putin\u2019s conviction that Ukraine is not an independent state and has to be subsumed into Russia? If it\u2019s the former, if this is genuinely from your perspective about security concerns that Russia has, well we owe it to try to talk about those and our own profound security concerns about what Russia is doing, because we need to avert a war. But if it\u2019s about the latter, if this is about this profoundly misplaced view that Ukraine is not its own country, and you\u2019re determined to subsume it into Russia, well, there\u2019s nothing to talk about.\u201d He couldn\u2019t or wouldn\u2019t give me a straight answer.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Emily Horne<\/strong>: We decided Jake was going to go out to the podium with [White House spokesperson] Jen [Psaki] the next day and do a couple of things: One, was going to make very, very clear that any American or dual nationals in Ukraine needed to get out immediately and that the calvary would not come to rescue Americans after an invasion has begun. That was certainly a lesson learned from Afghanistan: You can\u2019t over-message that, and you have to be extremely clear, even at the risk of causing a little bit of panic. The Ukrainians were not terribly happy about that message, but we absolutely did not have a choice, given what we were seeing. The new phrase that Jake deployed on that February 11 press conference was \u201cWe are in a window where an invasion could begin at any time.\u201d”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Gen. Mark Milley: <\/strong>I know that was a huge lot of diplomacy. There\u2019s a lot of effort being done by Secretary Austin, Secretary Blinken, Jake Sullivan, myself, the president himself, to try to dissuade Russia from doing this and to warn them if they did it these will be likely consequences.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Derek Chollet<\/strong>: There have been multiple attempts \u2014 not just by us. There were other countries, the French, the Germans, others were engaging Putin. No one was getting anywhere.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Antony Blinken: <\/strong>The invasion didn\u2019t take place for another week, precisely because we were able to call Putin out publicly. The fact that we were able to continue to declassify information, call him out at the Security Council, have the president use the ultimate bully pulpit to call him out \u2014 that put them a little bit off the timeline that we had seen.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Jake Sullivan: <\/strong>This was uncharted territory \u2014 the idea that there would be a major land war in Europe, with all of the ripple effects that that could cause, that felt like an enormous weight on me, on the whole team, most especially on the president. It was extremely hard to sleep.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Gen. Mark Milley: <\/strong>The Ukrainians, at the very end \u2014 probably about two weeks prior \u2014 really begin to mobilize their country into a nation at arms. They really got into full swing, where you started seeing all the men \u2014 and a lot of the women \u2014 learning how to use weapons, mines, hand grenades, explosives and all that stuff. Then you also saw a significant mobilization of Ukrainian people into the army \u2014 reservists \u2014 and you saw the disposition of the Ukrainian forces to begin to change into their wartime locations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There was a large evacuation of civilians out of what was expected to be the frontline areas, a real flurry of diplomatic activity, and then also decisions made by the international community \u2014 most countries pulled out their embassies out of Kyiv. That\u2019s a big, big decision. When you start seeing stuff like that happening, you start realizing that war is getting close.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Matthew Miller<\/strong>: There is sometimes this unrealistic sense that America can wave a magic wand and control the world. That\u2019s just not true. We don\u2019t have magic wands.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Colin Kahl<\/strong>: Sometimes people say, \u201cWell, if you were going to give them this stuff, why didn\u2019t you give them all at the beginning?\u201d And the reality is, as a matter of dollars and logistics, we couldn\u2019t. We\u2019ve given $27 billion of security assistance. We didn\u2019t have $27 billion at the beginning of the war. As a matter of actual and bureaucratic physics, you have to prioritize. What the secretary has been ruthless about is, \u201cWhat does Ukraine need right now for the fight?\u201d In the initial phases of the conflict, that was anti-armor, man-portable and short-range air defense systems, and artillery and ammunition for their Soviet legacy systems, and more Soviet legacy air defense systems. We poured in the Javelins and the Stingers and scoured our own stocks from the Cold War for Soviet era ammunition and stuff we swept up around the globe.”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

…<\/p>\n\n\n\n

“Gen. Mark Milley:\u00a0<\/strong>People don\u2019t think about war \u2014 even today. When I say to people, \u201cThere have been 35,000 or 40,000 innocent Ukrainians killed in this war, a third of their economy has been destroyed, an estimated 7 million internally-displaced persons, and another 7 million refugees out of a pre-war population of 45 million \u2014 you\u2019re looking at 30 to 40 percent of that country displaced out of houses.\u201d People sit there and go: \u201cOh?\u201d”<\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.politico.com\/news\/magazine\/2023\/02\/24\/russia-ukraine-war-oral-history-00083757<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

“Daleep Singh, deputy national security adviser for international economics, National Security Council, White House: We thought we had quelled his appetite for territory by meeting him in Geneva and trying to address some of the strategic concerns he\u2019d been raising, but then here we were again, with an even larger force.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Gen. Mark Milley: It\u2019s 30 days after the exit from Afghanistan. Some people said that the invasion of Ukraine was a result of the withdrawal. I don\u2019t agree. It\u2019s obvious the invasion was planned before the fall of Afghanistan.” <\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Bill Burns: [While I was in Moscow,] I was talking to [Putin] on a secure phone. It was a strange conversation. He was in Sochi \u2014 this was the height of yet another wave of Covid, Moscow itself was under a curfew \u2014 so he was isolating himself. The conversation was pretty straightforward. I laid out what the president had asked me to lay out to him. His response was a lot of what I had heard before from him about his convictions about Ukraine, and in many ways, his cockiness about Russia\u2019s ability to enforce its will on Ukraine. His senior advisers were pretty consistent as well. Not all of them were intimately familiar with his own decision-making, so at least one or two of them were a little bit surprised with what I laid out to them because the circle of advisers had gotten so small.” <\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Bill Burns: My own impression, based on interactions with him over the years, was a lot of this had to do with his own fixation on controlling Ukraine. He was convincing himself that strategically the window was closing on his opportunity to control Ukraine.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Bill Burns: His conviction was that without controlling Ukraine and its choices, it\u2019s not possible for Russia to be a great power and have this sphere of influence that he believes is essential. And it\u2019s not possible for him to be a great Russian leader without accomplishing that.” <\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Wally Adeyemo: The diplomacy between the president and the secretary getting people aligned on sanctions before Russia invaded was probably the biggest difference between this time and Crimea in terms of our ability to act quickly and effectively \u2014 things that we were unable to do back then.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Gen. Paul Nakasone: We sent a [U.S. Cyber Command] team forward, and they land in Kyiv on the fourth of December. Within a day or two, the leader calls back, and she tells my Cyber National Mission Force commander, her boss, \u201cWe\u2019re not coming home for a while. In fact, send more people.\u201d We sent our largest \u201chunt forward\u201d package into Kyiv. That stays there for a little over 70 days. What is a \u201chunt forward\u201d operation? A hunt forward operation is focused at the partner\u2019s request to look at a series of networks \u2014 we identify malware, tradecraft and anomalous behavior in those networks that point us to adversaries and allow the partner \u2014 in this case, Ukraine \u2014 to strengthen those networks.
\nThe interesting thing that she \u2014 the team leader \u2014 said: \u201cThey\u2019re really serious about this.\u201d This is the third time that we had been back in Ukraine, and there was just a different feeling in terms of how Ukraine was approaching it. When we provided information, they were moving on it, correcting the vulnerability, and looking for more.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Amb. Michael Carpenter: We thought, \u201cOK, if there\u2019s a crisis of European security, then let\u2019s talk about it. Let\u2019s identify the Russian concerns and see if there\u2019s a way that we can address them through diplomacy.\u201d Poland assumed the chairperson-ship of the OSCE on January 1, 2022, and so I immediately went to go visit with the Polish Foreign Minister to talk about the diplomatic angle. He was very receptive, and subsequently launched a process called the renewed European Security Dialogue. Russia basically refused to engage, and that\u2019s when it became increasingly clear the Kremlin really had no interest in diplomacy all along. It was bent on war.<\/p>\n

All of its alleged concerns \u2014 everything that it was putting out there in the public domain \u2014 was really a smokescreen. They turned their backs completely on the diplomacy that we were proposing at the OSCE, the diplomacy that was being proposed on behalf of NATO and then also bilaterally what we were discussing with the Russians. There was nothing to offer them, because they didn\u2019t even want to talk.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Bill Burns: I saw Zelenskyy in the middle of January to lay out the most recent intelligence we had about Russian planning for the invasion, which by that point had sharpened its focus to come straight across the Belarus frontier \u2014 just a relatively short drive from Kyiv \u2014 to take Kyiv, decapitate the regime and establish a pro-Russian government there. With some fair amount of detail, including, for example, the Russian intent to seize an airport northwest of Kyiv called Hostomel, and use that as a platform to bring in airborne forces as well to accelerate the seizure of Kyiv.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Antony Blinken: I saw Foreign Minister Lavrov in Geneva in late January, the 21st, because we were determined to exhaust every diplomatic avenue. It was incredibly blustery in Geneva \u2014 I\u2019ve never seen Lake Geneva more agitated in my life, like an ocean with a major storm setting in. I alluded to that and said, \u201cYou know, we have a responsibility to see if we can calm the seas \u2014 calm the lake.\u201d Lavrov was uncharacteristically focused on his talking points, and there wasn\u2019t much extemporaneous give and take, which is not usually the case with him.<\/p>\n

I wanted to see if there was some final way of breaking through and suggested we spend some time alone after the meeting with our teams. We sat in chairs about a foot from each other. I asked him, \u201cTell me, what are you trying to do? What is actually going on here? Is this really about your purported security concerns? Or is this about something theological, which is Putin\u2019s conviction that Ukraine is not an independent state and has to be subsumed into Russia? If it\u2019s the former, if this is genuinely from your perspective about security concerns that Russia has, well we owe it to try to talk about those and our own profound security concerns about what Russia is doing, because we need to avert a war. But if it\u2019s about the latter, if this is about this profoundly misplaced view that Ukraine is not its own country, and you\u2019re determined to subsume it into Russia, well, there\u2019s nothing to talk about.\u201d He couldn\u2019t or wouldn\u2019t give me a straight answer.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Emily Horne: We decided Jake was going to go out to the podium with [White House spokesperson] Jen [Psaki] the next day and do a couple of things: One, was going to make very, very clear that any American or dual nationals in Ukraine needed to get out immediately and that the calvary would not come to rescue Americans after an invasion has begun. That was certainly a lesson learned from Afghanistan: You can\u2019t over-message that, and you have to be extremely clear, even at the risk of causing a little bit of panic. The Ukrainians were not terribly happy about that message, but we absolutely did not have a choice, given what we were seeing. The new phrase that Jake deployed on that February 11 press conference was \u201cWe are in a window where an invasion could begin at any time.\u201d”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Gen. Mark Milley: I know that was a huge lot of diplomacy. There\u2019s a lot of effort being done by Secretary Austin, Secretary Blinken, Jake Sullivan, myself, the president himself, to try to dissuade Russia from doing this and to warn them if they did it these will be likely consequences.<\/p>\n

Derek Chollet: There have been multiple attempts \u2014 not just by us. There were other countries, the French, the Germans, others were engaging Putin. No one was getting anywhere.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Antony Blinken: The invasion didn\u2019t take place for another week, precisely because we were able to call Putin out publicly. The fact that we were able to continue to declassify information, call him out at the Security Council, have the president use the ultimate bully pulpit to call him out \u2014 that put them a little bit off the timeline that we had seen.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Jake Sullivan: This was uncharted territory \u2014 the idea that there would be a major land war in Europe, with all of the ripple effects that that could cause, that felt like an enormous weight on me, on the whole team, most especially on the president. It was extremely hard to sleep.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Gen. Mark Milley: The Ukrainians, at the very end \u2014 probably about two weeks prior \u2014 really begin to mobilize their country into a nation at arms. They really got into full swing, where you started seeing all the men \u2014 and a lot of the women \u2014 learning how to use weapons, mines, hand grenades, explosives and all that stuff. Then you also saw a significant mobilization of Ukrainian people into the army \u2014 reservists \u2014 and you saw the disposition of the Ukrainian forces to begin to change into their wartime locations.<\/p>\n

There was a large evacuation of civilians out of what was expected to be the frontline areas, a real flurry of diplomatic activity, and then also decisions made by the international community \u2014 most countries pulled out their embassies out of Kyiv. That\u2019s a big, big decision. When you start seeing stuff like that happening, you start realizing that war is getting close.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Matthew Miller: There is sometimes this unrealistic sense that America can wave a magic wand and control the world. That\u2019s just not true. We don\u2019t have magic wands.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Colin Kahl: Sometimes people say, \u201cWell, if you were going to give them this stuff, why didn\u2019t you give them all at the beginning?\u201d And the reality is, as a matter of dollars and logistics, we couldn\u2019t. We\u2019ve given $27 billion of security assistance. We didn\u2019t have $27 billion at the beginning of the war. As a matter of actual and bureaucratic physics, you have to prioritize. What the secretary has been ruthless about is, \u201cWhat does Ukraine need right now for the fight?\u201d In the initial phases of the conflict, that was anti-armor, man-portable and short-range air defense systems, and artillery and ammunition for their Soviet legacy systems, and more Soviet legacy air defense systems. We poured in the Javelins and the Stingers and scoured our own stocks from the Cold War for Soviet era ammunition and stuff we swept up around the globe.”<\/p>\n

…<\/p>\n

“Gen. Mark Milley: People don\u2019t think about war \u2014 even today. When I say to people, \u201cThere have been 35,000 or 40,000 innocent Ukrainians killed in this war, a third of their economy has been destroyed, an estimated 7 million internally-displaced persons, and another 7 million refugees out of a pre-war population of 45 million \u2014 you\u2019re looking at 30 to 40 percent of that country displaced out of houses.\u201d People sit there and go: \u201cOh?\u201d”<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[13],"tags":[617,474,552,455,390,924,728,460,314,1545,780,259,316,315,885,311,158],"class_list":["post-10078","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-article-share","tag-bureaucracy","tag-cia","tag-conflict","tag-department-of-defense","tag-diplomacy","tag-eastern-europe","tag-europe","tag-intelligence","tag-international-relations","tag-invasion","tag-joe-biden","tag-military","tag-putin","tag-russia","tag-state-department","tag-ukraine","tag-war"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10078","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=10078"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10078\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10079,"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10078\/revisions\/10079"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=10078"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=10078"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lonecandle.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=10078"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}